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ACWhammy · Feb 01, 2015, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Darcy

It has always been up to the player to prove a mistake was made.

How does a player prove a mistake was made? Do you have any specific instance you can share about how a player proved a mistake was made? I really want to know, as I'm not sure how this works.

Nekodesu · Feb 01, 2015, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by phat34

GWMultiLauch is a 3rd party program bud... and yes u can get banned for using it... I know a few friends that didn't BOT but got banned for using it as a matter of fact... It can be used to gain an unfair advantage - if u know how that is... and in America you can sue for what ever you like... their EULA is open to interpretation and if you bring suit they need to defend it.. how they interpret it and what the jury decides are too different things!
Defending it cost money and resources! Class Action! Look it up! If you feel like your certain inalienable rights have been violated you have civil court! Google Much?

And that my friend, is why the rest of the world thinks America is a country full of idiots.

Oh yeah, and trying to alter the exe file is against the EULA, so if you do that, good luck with your "lawsuit".

inb4 #notallamericans #wowyoureracistagainstmywhiteamericanness #imoffended

Toxon · Feb 01, 2015, 10:55 AM // 10:55

I got banned. But i did not bot. I use multi launch for months, which i think is allowed according to: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Light_and_Peace

And recently i use my Logitech G105's macro for /age and /resign, and some directly keys like scroll enemy button or select players button. Can anyone tell me is this considered as bot?

Now worst till, it seems like GW ban all my family account accounts. kinda sad as we were thinking to have fun with the Cathan new year celebration together.

Smoke Nightvogue · Feb 01, 2015, 11:18 AM // 11:18

Sorry, but this isn't a place where things like that are actually told, for that, you'd have to address The Guild Wars Support. We're simply not in a position to pass judgments or advocate a certain user's behavior, it's not what ordinary customers are able to have influence on in any form.

Toxon · Feb 01, 2015, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by Smoke Nightvogue

Sorry, but this isn't a place where things like that are actually told, for that, you'd have to address The Guild Wars Support. We're simply not in a position to pass judgments or advocate a certain user's behavior, it's not what ordinary customers are able to have influence on in any form.

Thank for the message. I just wrote to see if any one here has the similar case like me who get banned too. I have written to GW support 3 days ago, yet to receive their reply.

BlackTerror · Feb 01, 2015, 11:26 AM // 11:26

yeah I am pretty sure macros aren't allowed; my friend told me because I wondered same thing a long time back.

Smoke Nightvogue · Feb 01, 2015, 11:51 AM // 11:51

You're welcome.

On a more personal sight, I'd choose to avoid anything which involves character automation, as things like that are most-likely auto-tagged as suspicious behavior within the game's logs. If you feel like you could spend an additional 10 seconds clicking a certain thing here & there, it's better to do it rather than put yourself into the risky situation of being flagged as a scripter.

*Darcy* · Feb 01, 2015, 01:04 PM // 13:04

I have never been blocked so I don't have any specific answer to offer. I do know that in the past some accounts have been unblocked after the owner contacted support.

Remember that if you are not the original owner of the account, you are out of luck. ArenaNet EULA does not allow for sale/transfer of accounts. You need to know the registration information to prove ownership.

If the account is blocked and you are the original owner (or have all the info) contact support. If you get nowhere with support after three days, you can try contacting Gaile Gray who is still with the company. She is the final resort for support issues. You might need to join the guildwars2 forum for that contact. She has a thread where you post your ticket number & info for unresolved issues.

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Originally Posted by ACWhammy

How does a player prove a mistake was made? Do you have any specific instance you can share about how a player proved a mistake was made? I really want to know, as I'm not sure how this works.

Ranger From Uw · Feb 01, 2015, 01:13 PM // 13:13

According to the mail i received from the support, multi launch or texmod have NOT been taken into account as third party program. So you can't be banned because of that. But that's what they are pretending.
If we really knew all the specific reasons which made some of us banned, i think we would be even more mad. They are probably banning for stupid things which 5 years ago would have been nothing or just few hours of ban.

ACWhammy · Feb 01, 2015, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Ranger From Uw

According to the mail i received from the support, multi launch or texmod have NOT been taken into account as third party program. So you can't be banned because of that. .

Would you be willing to share their exact quote? I think many of us here would like to see what they have to say about Multilaunch/Texmod in light of recent events. (not something from 5 years ago, as most people are quoting)

I sent in a ticket regarding this 11 days ago and have yet to hear a response.

Ranger From Uw · Feb 01, 2015, 07:18 PM // 19:18

The interesting part in french :"Certains joueurs pensent que leurs comptes ont été clôturés, car ils ont utilisé des logiciels tiers tels que TexMod ou Guild Wars Multi-Client. Nous n'avons pas clos les comptes des joueurs ayant utilisé ces programmes car, dans leur forme originelle, ils n'octroient aucun avantage aux joueurs. Cependant, les utilisateurs des comptes clos le 14 janvier 2015 avaient recours à des programmes conçus pour leur donner un avantage significatif en terme de jouabilité, ce qui constitue une violation de notre Accord d'Utilisateur."

Which means : some ppl might think that they got banned because of multi launch or textmod but we didn't because originally that kind of programs does not give any advantage in the game. But those banned during the banwave did use some programs which gave them an advantage and that is against eula.

MaxBorken · Feb 01, 2015, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Ranger From Uw

The interesting part in french :"Certains joueurs pensent que leurs comptes ont été clôturés, car ils ont utilisé des logiciels tiers tels que TexMod ou Guild Wars Multi-Client. Nous n'avons pas clos les comptes des joueurs ayant utilisé ces programmes car, dans leur forme originelle, ils n'octroient aucun avantage aux joueurs. Cependant, les utilisateurs des comptes clos le 14 janvier 2015 avaient recours à des programmes conçus pour leur donner un avantage significatif en terme de jouabilité, ce qui constitue une violation de notre Accord d'Utilisateur."

Which means : some ppl might think that they got banned because of multi launch or textmod but we didn't because originally that kind of programs does not give any advantage in the game. But those banned during the banwave did use some programs which gave them an advantage and that is against eula.

Forgive me, but a small but perhaps pertinent correction :
In relation to Texmod and multi-launch: "Because in their original form [these programs] offered no advantage to players."

Original form?

It also says "those banned had used programs which gave them a significant advantage in terms of gameplay" in the last sentence. Perhaps running an alt through the campaigns, or gate-monkeying yourself etc did count towards the ban, but that is a clear reference to bots.

Max

ACWhammy · Feb 01, 2015, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Forgive me, but a small but perhaps pertinent correction :
In relation to Texmod and multi-launch: "Because in their original form [these programs] offered no advantage to players."

Original form?

Perhaps some of us had a newer form of Multilaunch/Texmod without realizing it? I'm trying to wrap my head around this. They say they don't ban for it, yet they do ban for it. Their statement is kind of ambiguous.

Ranger From Uw · Feb 01, 2015, 08:54 PM // 20:54

For me original form means the original aim which was transfering money or stuff from one account to another acc. And for the second part for me they are telling " those banned used programs" insinuating not the same programs and more especially bots

**cosyfiep** · Feb 01, 2015, 08:57 PM // 20:57

...or if you run your alts thru quests and such you can now be seen as using a bot? SO that would mean that running is now a banable offence???? (or its ok to run other people thru quests, just not your own accounts...because you can been seen as botting or getting some 'advantage' that people who dont have extra accounts do not have?????)

MaxBorken · Feb 01, 2015, 09:20 PM // 21:20

That's not what I was saying Cosy. There have been allusions in this thread to running alt accounts etc being bannable, but the translation is clear in its reference to programs that have a significant advantage. That can only mean bots.

Max

**cosyfiep** · Feb 01, 2015, 10:02 PM // 22:02

yes, but it can "interpreted" that you are gaining an advantage that other players do not have since they may only have one account.

MaxBorken · Feb 01, 2015, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Then we're all doooooomed

Sardaukar · Feb 01, 2015, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

yes, but it can "interpreted" that you are gaining an advantage that other players do not have since they may only have one account.

I hope they haven't taken that stance. It's up to each of us how many accounts we want to buy. If someone owns 100 accounts and is farming the hell out of CNY, I don't say "No fair!" That person has invested the time and paid Anet to do it. Why should they be penalized for working harder than others and having the means to do it?

Do people who volunteer for overtime at a company get paid the same amount of money as those who don't? Of course not! They have the freedom and incentive to do the extra work so they get paid more. Is that unfair to fellow employees who can't or don't want to work the overtime? Absolutely not!

And by "farming" I don't mean botting. I mean running the quest chain through with a main and 3 mules. You're doing all the work, accepting quests, running to outposts, finishing quests and getting the rewards on each account. No automation. Even if it's 4x the amount of reward that another person with one account gets, you paid for that ability when you bought the accounts. Anet took the money, so why should the player be punished with having to run the quests individually? Even w/o GWx2 you could do it with more than one account with more than one computer.

Before GWx2 I had 4 towers and 2 monitors with KVM switches and ran 4 clients. Was that wrong?

**cosyfiep** · Feb 01, 2015, 11:29 PM // 23:29

you could still be seen as 'botting' since you are probably not moving those other accounts around while actively doing the quest with one (or two) of them. So you log on with account one (who will be doing the quest), and accounts 2-4 are also logged in and just sit at the start of where ever....at the end of the quest you either have one of them move back into the outpost or resign? Those alt accounts could be easily taken at bots since they are doing the same activity the whole time. Rinse and repeat with more characters/accounts....then you are really looking like a bot! And if you are getting a run, you are really not doing any keyboard or mouse work so ---you are a bot!!!!

At which point in time load of folks are going to be considered bots and banned for it. Then good luck trying to PROVE to anet that you are NOT botting. (you are the one that will have to do the proving, they have already convicted you and executed sentencing).
(see where this is going?)

So dont use alt accounts for anything other than transferring funds, never play on more than one account at a time--you are botting then since you can not possibly work more than one computer at a time!! (and as the banner said, there is NO legitimate reason to have more than one account anyways).

so yes, Max --the rest of you are all doomed if you have more than one account.